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Bryton Guardia R300 & Magene L508 Biking Radar Sensors Introduced at Eurobike


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This week at Eurobike, each Magene and Bryton introduced rivals to Garmin’s Varia biking radar items, turning into the primary non-Garmin firm to make such an adjunct. Whereas many corporations (together with Wahoo, Levels, Hammerhead, and extra) have made their bike computer systems appropriate with Garmin Varia radar, solely Garmin themselves has really made the radar items that you simply affix to the again of your bike.

Apparently that’s set to alter. Bryton was on-hand at Eurobike with a couple of of their new Guardia R300 radar items displayed round their sales space, whereas Magene introduced their variant on-line (Magene wasn’t at Eurobike this 12 months). Albeit, Magene’s L508 Radar Tail Mild has apparently been teased inside the Chinese language market since again in April, however that is the primary time we’ve seen the corporate record it on their English websites & Fb feeds.

Now, earlier than we get into the weeds a bit, a couple of warnings up-front to set expectations accordingly.

A) This isn’t a assessment: It is a first-look put up based mostly on a mix of trade-show time, and particulars offered by corporations

B) Bryton: Within the case of Bryton’s Gaurdia R300, they formally aren’t saying any specs or pricing till later in July. Whereas they’d items on show and have been handily offering spec sheets to anybody that requested at Eurobike, they concurrently didn’t need any specs or costs printed till their ‘official’ launch later this month. Clearly, that’s one of many more strange issues I’ve seen, particularly given myself and others would have talked at size about each of this stuff.

C) Magene: Magene wasn’t at Eurobike this 12 months, and thus no alternative for hands-on time. On the flip-side, they’re making their specs accessible for the L508 Radar Tail Mild, as effectively there are a couple of discussion board posts in Korean from those who have picked up items in Asia. I’m not conscious of anyplace to purchase one on-line that ships to Europe/elsewhere right now.

Each corporations have a historical past of creating good merchandise, albeit that is positively far outdoors their regular swim-lanes. Within the case of Magene, they primarily have made trainers and energy meters (and sensors like coronary heart price straps/pace/cadence), and even make trainers for Wahoo. Extra lately, they acquired the Kinetic branding, and have taken over issues there. In the meantime, Bryton has a protracted historical past of biking head items in addition to the identical set of coronary heart price/pace/cadence sensors.

Typically talking each corporations primarily give attention to distribution inside Asia, often dipping their toe into Western markets (Bryton primarily). Once more, each are inclined to make technically strong merchandise, however often with out a lot of the polish of the merchandise they have a tendency to ‘recreate’.

Bryton Guardia R300:

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First up is Bryton’s Guardia R300. This was chilling on the again of a motorcycle at Eurobike, in addition to subsequent to another gadgets in Bryton’s sales space. In my case, I simply merely went as much as it, powered it on, and began taking part in with it.

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As a result of I used to be making an attempt to complete my Garmin Edge Discover 2 assessment bits (looking for a appropriate ebike), I occurred to have that in my backpack with me. So, I cracked it open, and simply paired it as much as the Guardia R300:

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It paired up identical to a Varia Radar as each an ANT+ biking radar unit and a linked bike gentle unit. It did so flawlessly (when it comes to technically pairing), in order that it appeared as one cohesive set of stuffs.

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I used to be capable of activate the lights/and so forth, with none points. So principally, when it comes to following the ANT+ specs for biking radar and lights (for which there’s an open normal), it appeared to do this simply positive. Once more, inside the confines of a sales space anyhow. It supplied completely different gentle modes (reminiscent of flashing). That’s vital although, as a result of it demonstrates that Bryton is selecting to implement the ANT+ gadget profiles, which implies this might be appropriate with all types of head items past simply Bryton’s.

Bryton in fact reveals it with their head items, however this implies it’ll additionally work with present items from Wahoo, Levels, Hammerhead, and even older Pioneer items.

Now, there are massive questions. All of which I and everybody else at Eurobike have solutions to, however none of that are apparently allowed to say for a product publicly proven at Eurobike:

A) What’s the battery life: Bryton doesn’t wish to specify this but, however suffice to say it completely blows away the present Garmin Varia items. A lot in order that it’ll outlast nearly each bike laptop available on the market right this moment. Even the brand new ones with large batteries.

B) What’s the worth: This too, Bryton doesn’t need it listed but. However, it’s considerably cheaper than something Garmin has that provides a light-weight+radar piece, each in USD and Euro’s.

C) When: That I believe I can say, which is after the top of July launch.

D) Measurement & Weight: You possibly can roughly choose that from the images, however principally it’s the identical measurement because the Varia Radar RTL-510/515 sized items. Weight-wise, it felt principally the identical as a Garmin Varia RTL-515 unit.

Now once more, the massive questions right here in my mind for testing might be totally on accuracy and reliability. With such completely bonkers battery life, but having a unit the identical measurement as Garmin’s, that often means some trade-offs need to be made. Typically that’s sorted through simply regular expertise progress. Different instances corporations make these two ends meet by principally decreasing energy to the sensor, which often is at the price of accuracy. So once more, we’ll need to see in actual life.

Magene L508:

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Subsequent up we’ve received Magene’s L508 biking radar. This unit seems…effectively…precisely just like the again of Garmin’s unit. And, for essentially the most half, the specs are fairly related. The important thing factor right here being, we’ve really received publishable specs. Woot!

Charging Sort: USB-C
Wi-fi Connectivity: ANT+ & Bluetooth Sensible (together with ANT+ Biking Radar profile)
Flashing Modes: Strong mode, flashing mode, pulse mode, peloton mode, and radar-only mode
Battery life: 6 hours in strong gentle, 8 hours in Peloton, 10 hours in flashing, 12 hours in pulse mode (all with radar on)
Mild Brightness: 20 lumens strong gentle, 20 lumens flashing, 6 lumens peloton, 3-20 lumens pulse
Sensible Brake sensing: Sure, it’ll go right into a ‘spotlight mode’ once you brake.

So primarily, these battery specs are barely in need of what Garmin advertises with their 16 hours in day flash mode, nonetheless, they’ve the good braking bits that Garmin lacks. I’m unsure how many individuals need good brake lights, however hey, it’s there! Plus, Magene has USB-C, for which Garmin doesn’t have on their Varia radar items (besides the brand new RCT-715 digital camera). The sunshine brightness settings are equal or greater than Garmin for many modes, besides pulse mode, the place Garmin goes as much as 65 lumens (versus 20 for Magene).

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And on the flashing mode aspect, they match what Garmin has:

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From a again standpoint, you possibly can see it’s the quarter-turn mount identical to Garmin’s, with a backside portion of the unit that’s exactly like Garmin’s is,

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I assume imitation is the sincerest type of flattery? Or, one thing like that.

As for pricing, it’s listed for 600 Yuan in China, which is $90USD. Nevertheless, I’d think about it’ll go for greater than that within the US, when you account for (very excessive) transport prices, and any import prices. I’d guess one thing like $120-$140USD, however we’ll need to see as soon as it’s really listed someplace you should buy it. Which finally, it isn’t right this moment.

And that’s one semi-key distinction between Magene and Bryton. Magene has traditionally principally simply courted Asian retailers and web distributors. Whereas Bryton has constructed out a reasonably substantial community of shops globally, together with within the US & Europe. Typically, as soon as Bryton does record it, it’ll be fairly simple to seek out. Whereas getting Magene stuff in most nations outdoors of Asia is a bit difficult.

Issues I’ll Be Trying At:

Now there’s a number of questions right here. Half technical, however half not. Beginning with the simple aspect, are the technical ones. Each corporations have proven themselves to simply (and appropriately) undertake ANT+ & Bluetooth Sensible requirements, and usually engineer technically sound merchandise. I’ve hardly ever had technical points with merchandise from both firm, as an alternative, most of my points have been on what is commonly cumbersome and clunky finish person interfaces, or questionable help avenues. Within the case of a radar, assuming that the radar portion works, there’s no want for most individuals to ever use a Bryton/Magene person interface. As a substitute, they’re simply going to make use of their very own bike computer systems.

So the subsequent query is how correct are both items, when it comes to detecting autos. Typically talking, it’s nearly unprecedented for a Garmin Varia Radar to have a false damaging (that means, it misses a automotive). Positive, you possibly can have 7 automobiles stacked up and there could also be one further automotive in between automotive 6 and seven (as a result of it’s actually visually hidden by one other automotive), however that doesn’t change the bicycle owner’s view, since they know there are many automobiles again there. Garmin can and does have false positives (a phantom automotive that doesn’t exist), often if the bike is stopped and the automotive is mirrored off a constructing. However once more, no influence to the top person. That long-winded background although is that these need to be correct/dependable. There might be (rightly so), zero tolerance for false negatives. There was a lot skepticism of Garmin’s resolution when it was first introduced, however they’ve principally confirmed themselves over the previous decade.

Which finally, will get to the ultimate query – one which isn’t technical in any respect: What about Garmin’s patents?

Definitely, Garmin has patents right here, possible from once they acquired Backtracker from iKubu in 2015. iKubu are literally those who invented their biking radar and positioned it on Kickstarter in 2014 earlier than Garmin introduced it to market as Varia Radar. And iKubu some patents right here. Nevertheless, all of those patents in flip rely upon a much wider 2001 patent from Duane Klaus, a person, that expired this previous September twenty eighth, 2001:

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iKubu’s patent lists the above patent as a reference level, however in studying by iKubu’s patent, I’m unsure it’d actually be defensible in court docket. This can be why Garmin filed a much more in-depth patent in 2015. In reality, the place it will get much more enjoyable, is that Garmin’s 2016 patent submitting that covers their latest Garmin Varia RCT715, really references (within the citations) my 2014 DC RAINMAKER put up within the submitting. The kicker is, in that very same put up, in a 2014 remark decrease down is somebody itemizing the concept of a digital camera radar system that does precisely what Garmin finally ends up itemizing within the patent.

In the end, any time you go down the patent rabbit gap, issues are liable to get messy. Garmin and Bryton have gotten messy beforehand over patent points, although the waters have been calmer recently. Garmin doesn’t are inclined to proactively file patent lawsuits within the health house within the final decade or so. As a substitute, they’re often listed in principally patent troll lawsuits (and, it’s uncommon Garmin loses there – even to the world’s largest corporations).

I reached out to Garmin earlier right this moment for touch upon whether or not or not they have been licensing any radar parts to third occasion corporations. Garmin’s official response: “We gained’t be capable to touch upon this, but when that modifications, we are able to definitely let you already know.”

Wherein case, let the radar video games start! Albeit, I’m unsure if that’ll be authorized video games or tech video games. Both means, thanks for studying.

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